Company’s Gone, Let’s Get Down to Business

By Christina

It’s the first time in 9 days I’ve been able to sit down and get caught up with email and blogging … and boy has it been a crazy 9 days in AdoptionLand. I’ve got so much buzzing around in my head and I don’t know what to write here and what to write over at VVAI

Let’s just all go right to the topic on everyone’s minds: The NOIDS. First, raise your hand if you were surprised to hear about them. Is your hand up? WHY? This should not have come as a surprise to anyone with access to the internet and certainly not to anyone who has read my soapbox rants or taken five minutes to check out VVAI. Well, okay, if you were surprised it took this long for a NOID to be issued, I’ll accept that.

I don’t mean to make light of a very serious and tragic situation… honestly the reality is that agency is not the only agency to be under scrutiny since the reopening, just these three cases happened to have enough tangible evidence for the Embassy to be able to issue a NOID. And a NOID does not mean those babies won’t eventually receive visas and come to the United States. It just means that now those families have the burdern of proving that their adoptions meet the basic Orphan Definition requirements. Or at least, we’d like to think that is what will happen.

The reality is, those three families will likely go home and (if they haven’t already) start calling their elected officials and demanding that something be done immediately to force the embassy to approve their visas. And they’ll probably also get lawyers to look for a way to overturn the NOID.  

It’s also possible that the agency involved will decide it isn’t worth the headache to deal with these NOIDS and instead they will find new “paper ready” babies for these families and try to convince them to accept a new referral.

About the least likely thing to happen is the very thing I wish would happen: that someone actually tracks down the babies birth families and gets detailed information on how and why each baby was relinquished in the first place. The embassy could do this, or the agency could, or even the adoptive families could hire someone to do it for them. But will they? The embassy will probably try. And probably they will be stonewalled at every turn. And what if someone was able to track down birth family and relinquishment information? What are the chances that the people involved would tell the truth? And how would we know it was the truth and not a good story? Honestly, it could be that these babies were relinquished for legitimate reasons, but now that their cases have gotten caught in this mess, any legitimate reason will be seen as suspect. And the number of stories I’ve heard of facilitators/orphange directors “brokering” babies in the last few months gives good reason for those suspicions.

In the end, whether by political pressure or legal maneuvering or whatever, it’s likely those NOIDS will be overturned or withdrawn and the families will return to Vietnam to bring their babies home.  And the agency will loudly state that they have “never had a case denied” which will be technically true and assuage most of their clients’ fears and doubts. And things in the Vietnam adoption world will go back to business as usual.

The whole thing is a mess, plain and simple. And as MotherMotherOcean blogged, this is a loss for all of us. And while part of me stands back in righteous indignation, I know what these families are going through to some extent because I was nearly there myself, once upon a time. A couple families adopting from the same orphanage where R~ lived in Cambodia received NOIDS. And we certainly were put through the ringer waiting for our daughter’s case to be investigated as part of the INS shutdown “pipeline”. And not once during that time did I think “we should track down R~’s birthfamily and get their side of things.” All I could think about was getting my baby girl home. In many ways, it was the same situation in Cambodia, “abandoned” babies with sketchy paperwork that the embassy thought was suspect but couldn’t really prove was fraudulant.

But Vietnam 2007 is not Cambodia 2001. We didn’t know then what adopting families know now. In Cambodia the corruption was so deep and complicated that it was impossible to know who was corrupt and who was flinging mud to cover up their own corruption. Not so today in Vietnam. Today in Vietnam it is possible to complete a good ethical adoption. It is possible to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that your child needed to be adopted internationally because there truly was no other good option for him/her. But you won’t get that assurance if your highest priority is how fast you can get a referral or how young a baby you can bring home. You won’t have that assurance if you blindly pick an agency and accept whatever they tell you, no questions asked. You might get that fast referral of that tiny baby, and you might even complete your adoption without a hitch. But that won’t mean your child was reliquished in an ethical manner or that your adoption process followed all the rules and laws. And while hundreds of adoptions will go through in that way, every now and again, a few will have so many red flags that the embassy won’t be able to ignore their concerns. The NOIDS will go out, and everyone will lose.

16 Responses to “Company’s Gone, Let’s Get Down to Business”

  1. Gretchen Says:

    Amen.

  2. Nicki Says:

    This is an amazing piece of writing! You should totally post this at VVAI. It is perfection to me.

  3. Shannon Says:

    Of course this has been consuming my thoughts, but I havn’t been able to put anything coherent together. Thank you for doing it.

  4. Stacy Says:

    Exactly – well said. Even so, this week I’m still seeing plenty of people asking about that very agency (and another one that in my mind bears some striking similarities). The lure of lightening-fast referrals and agency spin/propoganda seem to crowd out the reality that if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. I’ve been getting challenged and critiqued by some lately for not switching agencies, since mine is having challenges getting their program going (since they will not pay bribes). But I am determined to stay the course, as crazy as it makes me. I would rather wait longer and know things were done the right way than to go with someone impossibly fast and have that hanging over me the rest of my family’s life. I’m glad to see the “experts” like you talking about it – maybe if we all keep it present, it will become harder for the families trying to pretend it’s not happening to keep turning a blind eye.

  5. sheljena Says:

    I can barely think of what to write. I am angry, frustrated and disapointed. I feel like I want to shake someone, and the only person that I can conjure up is our Embassy official Mr.X who was rude and not even asking the right questions….Ok so I am shaking him. And WC’s MPN, only b/c I have seen a pic of her…..
    Funny how all of us who are of the same opinion are commenting here- How do we get this info into the hands of people who need it, and get them to listen and understand what is really going on??!??!?!???

  6. Rachel Says:

    OK, I have to admit I’ve been under a rock for about a week or so and haven’t been reading much in the VN community. Soooo, tonight I found myself digging through numerous blogs and sites to try to get up to speed. And WOW did I ever choose a bad week to hibernate.

    I don’t know how many blogs I read which all stated the same basic thing.. “D*** the US for doing this to us and our agency is wonderful”. OK, obviously I can relate to the initial rage against our own government (not saying it’s right or wrong, just stating I’ve been there, felt that.) but I can’t believe these people can sit around still praising their agency! What gives? What would this agency actually need to do for people to wake up and realize they are bad, bad news?! Unfortunately, I’m pretty sure the agency shutting down their VN program is about the only thing that would keep people away.

    Obviously, the families’ hearts are breaking and that must be a HORRIBLE thing to deal with. It’s hard to think gosh, I hope they all can go back and get those babies they’ve fallen in love with yet at the same time realize that would not solve anything. And really I know everything will be neatly and quickly cleaned up and the agency will continue on. All the shady agencies will continue on. Seriously, doesn’t anyone else notice those few agencies which are all notorious for quick referrals of young baby girls are all working in the same few provinces? Like Jena said…how do we get people to take this seriously? I’ve wracked my brains and come up empty thus far.

  7. Nicole Says:

    We went with this agency because it was fast. At the time, it was all we could think about. I have spoken with several moms who are waiting in line with this same agency now and they are turning a blind eye to what is going on because their eyes are on the prize. Just as ours was. It is so hard to see that an agency that might take you 6 or 12 extra months may be so worth it in the end.

    This week I have questioned a lot of things about our recent adoption. I put faith in the agency that everything was handled on a kosher level. I no longer have the faith in them that it was.

    Now, I sit back and watch them deflect any responsibility they should take for what has happened on to everyone else. “It is INS’s fault, it is the provinces fault.” And you are absolutely right, in the end, it may all work out. The families will be so relieved to be home with their children, that they will stop their fight. Families after them will never know what happened. And the bloody agency will get away with shady practices again.

  8. Nicole Says:

    !!!

  9. L Says:

    i haven’t slept well this week. i have so many questions and i am so torn up about all the things we may never know about whether our adoption will be 100% completely ethical. does any of us really get the assurance of 100% certainty? Am I naive to want that?

    i would love a list of questions and things we could discuss with our agency to understand the process and the way they do things better.
    where i live in Canada things are much different than in the USA. we currently have 2 agencies dealing with Vietnam and they are both back-logged and not taking PAP’s at this point, as far as I know. we got on with the one agency before the backlog began and so we are DTV 3 months now, and have a 10 month (approx) wait til referral and travel.

    So… it is difficult. We are without the option of several different agencies, when we chose to adopt from Vietnam our agency was basically chosen for us since there was only one taking applications.

    I want more than anything to do everything I can to make sure this adoption is done in the most ethical way and that we are adopting a child that truly is an ophan. I’d love advice on how to have open and good communication with our agency.

  10. melinda Says:

    As always, well said.

    It is so sad for everyone involved. And it is even more depressing and frustrating to realize that many of us are not surprised in the least.

  11. Christina Says:

    L, I know this issue can be really emotional and just plain draining to think about. I’m sorry it’s giving you restless nights. Unfortunately, I know almost nothing about the Canadian agencies. But I did write a post for VVAI about good communication, here And Mam Non has a good post about choosing an agency that might have some helpful tips for you.

    As for 100% certainty… well, I don’t think it’s possible to be 100% certain because even if your agency is completely ethical, it’s difficult to know what is happening on the VN side of things, like when paperwork is being processed or whatnot. But with our agency (Holt) we were given extensive background info on our child with our referral so I feel very confident that he came into care for the right reasons and truly needed an adoptive family. And our agency also emphasized on multiple occasions that they would not do anything that could even give the appearance of corruption and we saw for ourselves in country that they were very professional and by-the-book. You might try talking with other families who are farther ahead of you in the process with your agency and ask them about communication and what their impressions are of your agency … it’s a start anyway.

  12. hismissionmine Says:

    We were with this very agency. Thankfully, we only got as far as the application. now, I see why all the stumbling blocks came up :)
    As soon as I started hearing of rumors of Noids and saw how the agency personnel seemed not to want to answer questions or were conveniently “out of town” and “dealing with family issues” I started to open my eyes. My husband was adamant at the first whisper of a NOID that we get away from them but at first I bought all their blame casting. I have been doing research and I think a NOID or even a rumor of one has to mean something shady is going on and if they work as closely as they say they do they can’t put all the blame on the orphanage/province/or the Embassy officials.
    Thank you for being a resource for us, and I promise to keep myself in the know from now on :o )

  13. Sarah Says:

    Excellent, informative post. Ignorance is no excuse – that’s my refrain lately. Ten minutes googling and I learned about the NOIDs. I am no smarter or faster than anyone else out there. People posting to the yahoo groups looking for nothing more than an agency that promises babies fast fast fast just disgust me. Fast should NOT be a proirity. Ethical, above board, accountable matters so much more than speed. The selfish actions of a-parents who are willingly turning a blind eye could damage the program for everyone.

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  15. UNS Says:

    I’d be interested in further thoughts about the idea of conducting one’s own investigation into the circumstances of a child’s relinquishment. Suppose you know the name of the birth mother and even her address. Suppose the child’s file has the birth mother’s statement of relinquishment. While one can speak to orphanage officials or others who might have discussed the mother’s decision or counseled her, if you are really interested in the truth, I don’t see that there is a better source than the mother. But I wonder about contacting the mother under these circumstances. I do feel I would want to know as much as possible about the mother’s reasons. But would it be fair to the birth mother to question her decision, particularly if it is within a few months of when she made the decision to relinquish? I have not made up my mind about this one way or another — I am asking the question because I would be interested in the thoughts of others. Thanks.

  16. Laurie Says:

    Don’t know how I almost missed this post (ok, I do: we haven’t had internet in 2 weeks!), so thanks to Jena for leading me to it. Great post Christina. I WISH more people would take the cotton out of their ears and choose to pull the wool off their eyes. FINALLY, is my feeling on the NOIDs. I feel bad for those families, but it’s about damn time these agencies are called out. I’m just annoyed about 1 specific agency that still seems to be sliding by so smoothly, despite what we all know about them!

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